Intervención educativa con elementos de Educación Popular en Salud para prevenir la picadura de alacrán / Educational intervention with elements of Popular Health Education to prevent scorpion stings

Resumen Objetivo: Evaluar la implementación de una intervención educativa con elementos de Educación Popular en Salud sobre el empoderamiento y los cambios en salud para la prevención de la picadura de alacrán, en mujeres del municipio de Tetecala, Morelos. Material y métodos: La intervención educativa se realizó en mujeres adscritas al programa PROSPERA, con 16 participantes, así, consistió en cinco sesiones de manera semanal, con tiempo de dos horas, aproximadamente, cada una. Se realizó un triple diagnóstico sobre los conocimientos y las causas de la picadura de alacrán, con esa información, se diseñan los principales componentes de la estrategia educativa (1. Conocimiento del alacrán; 2. Riesgos para la picadura de alacrán; 3. Prevención de la picadura de alacrán), lo que se lleva a cabo en los meses de febrero y marzo del 2019. Se evalúan dos categorías, empoderamiento y cambios en salud, ahondando en elementos descritos por Noelle Wiggins, mediante metodología mixta. Las mediciones se realizan al mismo grupo previo y posterior a la intervención educativa; la evaluación cualitativa se realiza mediante el análisis de registro etnográfico, asimismo, la parte cuantitativa se aplica cuestionario sobre conocimientos y prácticas. Resultados: Se identifican cambios en elementos de empoderamiento, así como cambios en salud. Conclusiones: Emplear elementos de Educación Popular en Salud tiene efectos similares a estrategias donde se emplea la metodología pura, así, en la prevención de la picadura de alacrán, muestra resultados similares con otros problemas en salud.

Abstract Objective: To evaluate implementation of an educational initiative with elements of Popular Health Education on empowerment and changes in health for prevention of scorpion stings, in women from municipality of Tetecala, Morelos. Material and methods: Educational initiative was carried out in women assigned to PROSPERA program, with 16 participants. It consisted of 5 weekly sessions, with a time of approximately 2 hours each. A diagnosis was made on the knowledge and causes of the scorpion sting, with this information the main components of educational strategy were designed (1. Knowledge of scorpion; 2. Risks for scorpion sting; 3. Prevention of scorpion sting). It was carried out in the months of February and March 2019. Two categories, empowerment and changes in health, were evaluated, delving into elements described by Noelle Wiggins, using a mixed methodology. The measurements were made to the same group before and after educational initiative. Qualitative evaluation was carried out by analyzing ethnographic record. Quantitative part was applied questionnaire on knowledge and practices. Results: Changes in elements of empowerment were identified, as well as changes in health. Conclusions: Using elements of Popular Health Education has similar effects than strategies where pure methodology is used. In the prevention of Scorpion stings, it showed similar results to other health problems.

Long-term effects of continuous subcutaneous insulin infusion in adults with type 1 diabetes mellitus patients: Results of a public healthcare system.

AIM: To evaluate the long-term clinical effect of continuous subcutaneous insulin infusion (CSII) in adult type 1 diabetes mellitus (T1DM) patients in a regional public healthcare system real-world scenario. METHODS: All adult T1DM patients on CSII for ≥10 years subjected to follow-up in the regional Castilla-La Mancha Public Health Service were included. The primary efficacy outcome was the variation in HbA1c during follow-up. Direct patient data were compiled through the web-based Spanish national registry on CSII therapy. RESULTS: A total of 69 T1DM adult patients were treated with insulin pumps for ≥10 years in our region. The mean age was 45.0±10.5 years, with a T1DM duration of 13.9±8.5 years. The mean duration of CSII therapy was 11.4±2.1 years. The main indications for treatment were high glucose variability (39%), problematic hypoglycemia (26%), and HbA1c >53mmol/mol (7%) on multiple daily injections (20%). Sensor-augmented pump therapy was used by 31% of the patients. Glycosylated hemoglobin did not change during follow-up (58±11mmol/mol vs. 58±11mmol/mol; 7.5±1.0 vs. 7.5±1.0; p=0.66). However, the percentage of patients with at least one episode of severe hypoglycemia during the last year and unnoticed hypoglycemia decreased from 36% to 7% (p=0.006) and from 38% to 32% (p<0.001), respectively. The proportion of subjects with ≥1 episode of diabetic ketoacidosis in the last year decreased from 30% to 6% (p=0.045). CONCLUSIONS: The reduction of severe hypoglycemia without deterioration of glycemic control can be sustained over long-term CSII therapy.

Efecto de una intervención multidimensional en personas mayores autovalentes para el manejo del riesgo de caídas / Effect of a multidimensional intervention for prevention of falls in the eldery

OBJETIVO: Evaluar el efecto de una intervención multidimensional en la percepción y el manejo de factores de riesgo intrínsecos y extrínsecos de caídas y en la frecuencia de caídas en personas mayores autovalentes que viven en la comunidad. DISEÑO: Ensayo clínico aleatorizado controlado. Emplazamiento: Centro público de salud familiar, nivel primario de atención. PARTICIPANTES: Personas mayores autovalentes que viven en la comunidad. Intervención: Intervención educativa multidimensional de visita domiciliaria y seguimiento telefónico mensual por 5 meses para el grupo intervenido (GI, n = 77) y los asignados al grupo control (GC, n = 77) atención habitual en su centro de salud. Mediciones principales: Percepción de riesgo de caídas, número de factores de riesgo caídas y número de caídas en el periodo. RESULTADOS: En ambos grupos aumenta la percepción de los factores de riesgo de caídas asociadas con la deambulación (GI: p ≤ 0,001 y GC: p ≤ 0,001). Pertenecer al GI se asocia significativamente con una disminución en los factores de riesgo asociados con las superficies (r = 0,25) y los zapatos (r = 0,24); un aumento en la percepción de riesgo de caídas asociadas a la deambulación (r = 0,21) y la presencia de objetos o muebles (r = 0,36). En GI, 5 participantes (7,9%) sufrieron al menos una caída en el periodo de 5 meses y en el GC 18 (27,7%) (p = 0,004). CONCLUSIONES: La intervención multidimensional fue efectiva para reducir la frecuencia de caídas y para el manejo de factores de riesgo extrínsecos asociados con las superficies, la iluminación y los dispositivos de apoyo

OBJECTIVE: To evaluate the effect of a multidimensional intervention on the perception and management of risk factors and frequency of falls in independent elderly people living in the community. DESIGN: Randomised clinical trial. SETTING: Family health centre, primary care. PARTICIPANTS: Independent elderly people living in the community. INTERVENTION: For intervention group (IG) a multidimensional intervention, consisting of home visits and telephone follow-up was carried out for 5 months (n = 77), and those assigned to the control group (CG, n = 77) received usual care in the family health centre. MAIN MEASUREMENTS: Perception of risk of falls, number of risk factors and number of falls in the study period. RESULTS: In both groups there were increases in the perception of risk factors for falling associated with walking (IG: P < .001 and CG: P < .001). Belonging to the IG was significantly associated with a decrease in the risk factors associated with surfaces (r = 0.25) and shoes (r = 0.24), as well as an increase in the perception of risk of falls associated with walking (r = 0.21) and the presence of objects or furniture (r = 0.36). In the IG, 5 participants (7.9%) suffered at least one fall in the 5-month period and 18 (27.7%) patients in the CG (P = .004). CONCLUSIONS: The Multidimensional intervention was effective in reducing the frequency of falls and in the management of extrinsic risk factors associated with surfaces, lighting, and support devices

[Effect of a multidimensional intervention for prevention of falls in the eldery]. / Efecto de una intervención multidimensional en personas mayores autovalentes para el manejo del riesgo de caídas.

OBJECTIVE: To evaluate the effect of a multidimensional intervention on the perception and management of risk factors and frequency of falls in independent elderly people living in the community. DESIGN: Randomised clinical trial. SETTING: Family health centre, primary care. PARTICIPANTS: Independent elderly people living in the community. INTERVENTION: For intervention group (IG) a multidimensional intervention, consisting of home visits and telephone follow-up was carried out for 5 months (n=77), and those assigned to the control group (CG, n=77) received usual care in the family health centre. MAIN MEASUREMENTS: Perception of risk of falls, number of risk factors and number of falls in the study period. RESULTS: In both groups there were increases in the perception of risk factors for falling associated with walking (IG: P<.001 and CG: P<.001). Belonging to the IG was significantly associated with a decrease in the risk factors associated with surfaces (r=0.25) and shoes (r=0.24), as well as an increase in the perception of risk of falls associated with walking (r=0.21) and the presence of objects or furniture (r=0.36). In the IG, 5 participants (7.9%) suffered at least one fall in the 5-month period and 18 (27.7%) patients in the CG (P=.004). CONCLUSIONS: The multidimensional intervention was effective in reducing the frequency of falls and in the management of extrinsic risk factors associated with surfaces, lighting, and support devices.

Continuous Subcutaneous Insulin Infusion in Adult Type 1 Diabetes Mellitus Patients: Results from a Public Health System.

Aims: To analyze prevalence and clinical effect of continuous subcutaneous insulin infusion (CSII) in adult type 1 diabetes mellitus (T1DM) patients in a public health system real-world scenario. Materials and Methods: All adult T1DM patients on CSII being followed at Castilla-La Mancha Health Public Service were included. Primary efficacy outcome was the change in HbA1c during the follow-up. Secondary efficacy outcomes included evaluation of the following variables: insulin pump indications, diabetes complication rates, insulin and pump use, continuous glucose monitoring use, patients achieving an HbA1c decrease ≥6 mmol/mol (0.5%) with or without severe hypoglycemia, and discontinuations. Direct patient data were typed through the web-based Spanish national registry on CSII therapy by nine diabetologists from eight different health care areas. Results: A total of 7% of T1DM adult patients were treated with insulin pumps in our region, with a regional prevalence of 18.7 CSII patients/100,000 inhabitants. Three hundred thirteen patients were analyzed with a mean age of 34.1 ± 11.0 years and T1DM duration of 16.6 ± 9.7 years. Mean duration of CSII therapy was 6.2 ± 4.0 years. Data completion was 91.2%. Main indications for treatment were high glucose variability (36%) and suboptimal glycemic control (32%). Mean duration of CSII therapy was 6.2 ± 4.0 years. Sensor-augment pump therapy was used by 26% of the patients. Glycated hemoglobin decreased to -5 mmol/mol (95% CI -6 to -3 mmol/mol; P < 0.001) during the follow-up (Mean difference in change -0.4%, 95% CI -0.5 to -0.2; P < 0.001). Percentage of patients with severe hypoglycemia decreased from 32% to 13% (P < 0.001). Frequent nonsevere hypoglycemia, severe hypoglycemia, and diabetic ketoacidosis were less frequent among patients using higher number of daily basal rates at the study end. The rate of CSII interruption was 3.8%. Conclusions: Prevalence of CSII therapy in our region remains under 10% of adult T1DM patients, although CSII treatment was associated with a sustained improvement in glycemic control.

The lived experience of undergraduate student parents: roles compatibility challenge.

OBJECTIVES: To reveal the meanings attributed by university students to their experience of becoming a mother/father during their studies. METHODS: A phenomenological study was conducted with students at a private Chilean University. Sixteen students from different undergraduate careers (eight women and eight men) participated in in-depth interviews, which were recorded. A phenomenological analysis of the data that followed the Streubert method was carried out, ensuring rigor by the criteria established by Guba and Lincoln during the research process. The ethical aspects were addressed through the process of informed consent, confidentiality and methodological rigor. RESULTS: The phenomenon of becoming a mother/father during the university studies was revealed through four central themes: Emotions in conflict; Internal mobilization to address the situation; Position oneself in a new role; and Need for support. The central contribution of the study is the revelation of the transformation process towards the integrated role of father/mother-student. CONCLUSIONS: This study provides qualitative evidence that contributes to a comprehensive understanding of the experience of becoming a mother/father during the university studies; concluding that this life experience is presented as a process of role compatibility, which is necessary to support. For this, it is necessary to make visible the role of parents/students in university policies, with the aim of providing concrete support during this process of parallel transition in the lives of young people.

La experiencia de estudiantes universitarios que son madres/padres: desafíos en la compatibilidad de roles / A experiência vivida por estudantes universitários que são mães/pais: desafios na compatibilidade dos papéis / The lived experience of undergraduate student parents: roles compatibility challenge

Objective. To reveal the meanings attributed by university students to their experience of becoming a mother/father during their studies. Methods. A phenomenological study was conducted with students at a private Chilean University. Sixteen students from different undergraduate careers (eight women and eight men) participated in in-depth interviews, which were recorded. A phenomenological analysis of the data that followed the Streubert method was carried out, ensuring rigor by the criteria established by Guba and Lincoln during the research process. The ethical aspects were addressed through the process of informed consent, confidentiality and methodological rigor. Results. The phenomenon of becoming a mother/father during the university studies was revealed through four central themes: Emotions in conflict; Internal mobilization to address the situation; Position oneself in a new role; and Need for support. The central contribution of the study is the revelation of the transformation process towards the integrated role of father/mother-student. Conclusion. This study provides qualitative evidence that contributes to a comprehensive understanding of the experience of becoming a mother/father during the university studies; concluding that this life experience is presented as a process of role compatibility, which is necessary to support. For this, it is necessary to make visible the role of parents/students in university policies, with the aim of providing concrete support during this process of parallel transition in the lives of young people. (AU)

La experiencia de estudiantes universitarios que son madres/padres: desafíos en la compatibilidad de roles Objetivo. Develar los significados atribuidos por estudiantes universitarios a su experiencia de convertirse en madre/padre durante sus estudios. Métodos. Se realizó un estudio fenomenológico en una universidad privada chilena. Dieciséis estudiantes de diferentes carreras de pregrado (ocho mujeres y ocho hombres) participaron en entrevistas en profundidad las cuales se grabaron. Se realizó un análisis fenomenológico de los datos que siguió el método de Streubert, cuidando el rigor de la investigación mediante el cumplimiento de los criterios establecidos por Guba y Lincoln durante el proceso de investigación. Resultados. El fenómeno de convertirse en madre/padre durante la etapa universitaria se develó a través de cuatro temas centrales: Emociones en conflicto; Movilización interna para abordar la situación; Posicionarse en un nuevo rol; y Necesidad de apoyo. La contribución central del estudio es la revelación del proceso de transformación hacia el rol integrado de padre/madre-alumno. Conclusión. Este estudio proporciona evidencia cualitativa que contribuye a una comprensión integral de la experiencia de convertirse en madre/padre durante la etapa universitaria. Como conclusión, esta experiencia de vida se presenta como un proceso de compatibilidad de roles, que es necesario apoyar. Para ello se requiere visibilizar el papel de los padres/madres estudiantes en las políticas universitarias con el objetivo de proporcionar un apoyo concreto durante este proceso de transición paralelo en la vida de los jóvenes.(AU)

A experiência vivida por estudantes universitários que são mães/pais: desafios na compatibilidade dos papéis Objetivo. Revelar os significados atribuídos por estudantes universitários à sua experiência de tornar-se em mãe/pai durante seus estudos. Métodos. Se realizou um estudo fenomenológico com estudantes numa Universidade particular chilena. Dezesseis estudantes de diferentes cursos de graduação (oito mulheres e oito homens) participaram em entrevistas em profundidade as quais foram gravadas. Se realizou uma análise fenomenológico dos dados que seguiu o método de Streubert, cautelando o rigor da investigação por meio do cumprimento dos critérios estabelecidos por Guba e Lincoln durante o processo de investigação. Resultados. O fenômeno de tornar-se em mãe/pai durante a etapa universitária se revelou através de quatro assuntos centrais: Emoções em conflito; Mobilização interna para abordar a situação; Posicionar-se num novo papel; e Necessidade de apoio. A contribuição central do estudo é a revelação do processo de transformação para o papel integrado de pai/mãe-aluno. Conclusão. Este estudo proporciona evidência qualitativa que contribui a uma compreensão integral da experiência de tornar-se em mãe/pai durante a etapa universitária; concluindo que esta experiência de vida se apresenta como um processo de compatibilidade de papéis, que é necessário apoiar. Para isto se requere visibilizar o papel dos pais/mães alunos nas políticas universitárias, com o objetivo de proporcionar um apoio concreto durante este processo de transição paralelo na vida dos jovens. (AU)

Del autocuidado al automanejo: La escuela de enfermería UC en la vanguardia del cuidado crónico / From self-care to self-management: UC nursing school in the forefront of chronic care

Se propone una reflexión sobre el desafío que representa el cuidado de personas con condiciones crónicas de salud (CC) en la atención de salud y la incorporación del constructo "Apoyo al Automanejo " como parte de la formación profesional y a su vez, cómo este desafío ha sido asumido por la Escuela de Enfermería UC. Se apoya esta propuesta, en el escenario epidemiológico actual de las condiciones crónicas de salud, especialmente de las enfermedades no transmisibles y los limitados resultados alcanzados con el modelo actual de atención, con los consecuentes efectos en las personas y familias. Se discute sobre el déficit de preparación en el equipo de salud para afrontar la complejidad de la situación. Se revisa la trayectoria de la Escuela de Enfermería en el ámbito de formación e investigación en autocuidado de la salud y su relación y evolución hacia el apoyo al automanejo como parte integral del Modelo de Cuidados Crónicos que es la estrategia definida por el Ministerio de Salud para enfrentar esta situación y se releva el rol de la Escuela al ser reconocida como Centro Colaborador OMS-OPS para el Desarrollo de Servicios de Salud y Enfermería para el Cuidado en Enfermedades No Transmisibles.

We propose a reflection on the challenge of caring for people with chronic health conditions (CC) and the incorporation of "Supporting Self-Management" concept in the undergraduate program. Also there is a comment on how this challenge has been assumed by the UC School of Nursing. This approach is based on the current epidemiological scenario of chronic health conditions, particularly non-communicable diseases and the limited results achieved with the current model of care, with consequent effects on individuals and families diseases. It discusses the deficit of preparation for health teams to deal with the complexity of the situation. The trajectory of the School of Nursing is reviewed in the field of training and research in self- care and their relationship and evolution towards self-management support as an integral part of the Chronic Care Model which is the strategy defined by the Ministry of Health to deal with this situation and the role of the School is relieved to be recognized as WHO-PAHO Collaborating Center for the Development of Health Services and Nursing in non communicable diseases.

Programa de apoyo al trabajador-cuidador familiar: fenómeno social emergente / A Program to Support Family Worker-Caregivers: An Emerging Social Phenomenon / Programa de apoio ao trabalhador-cuidador familiar: fenômeno social emergente

En el contexto demográfico actual de envejecimiento poblacional surge un nuevo rol: el funcionario-cuidador. La persona que trabaja y, además, cuida a un familiar con discapacidad, presenta problemas personales, laborales y menor compromiso con su autocuidado. Entre las intervenciones eficaces se encuentra el mejorar la percepción del apoyo social. Se presenta un programa interdisciplinario, iniciado en el año 2009, de apoyo a trabajadores-cuidadores familiares. Su propósito es promover la salud y prevenir factores de riesgo de enfermedad a través del fortalecimiento de sus habilidades de autocuidado y el desarrollo de políticas institucionales que faciliten el cumplimiento de ambos roles en forma eficiente y saludable. Como estrategias de promoción en salud se han utilizado: la educación para el autocuidado, el fortalecimiento de redes de apoyo familiar y social, la asesoría profesional y la comunidad de pares. En las últimas tres cohortes anuales han participado sesenta funcionarios, de los cuales el 83,4% son mujeres, con un promedio de edad de cincuenta años. El programa ha cumplido con éxito los objetivos propuestos, aumentando la percepción de apoyo social manifestado por los propios participantes.

A new role has emerged within the current demographic context of an aging population; namely, that of the worker-caregiver. The person who works and also cares for a disabled family member has personal and work-related problems and is less committed to their own self-care. Improving the perception of social support can be an effective intervention in this respect. The article describes an interdisciplinary program initiated in 2009 to support family workers-caregivers. Its purpose is to promote health and prevent disease risk factors by strengthening self-care skills and the development of institutional policies that facilitate efficient and healthy compliance with both roles. Some of the health promotion strategies that have been used include education for self-care, strengthening family and social support networks, professional counseling and a community of peers. Sixty workers took part in the last three annual cohorts: 83.4% were women, with an average age of fifty. The program has successfully met its proposed objectives by increasing the perception of social support expressed by the participants themselves.

No contexto demográfico atual de envelhecimento populacional, surge um novo papel: o funcionario-cuidador. A pessoa que trabalha e, além disso, cuida de um familiar com necessidades especiais apresenta problemas pessoais, laborais e menor compromisso com seu auto-cuidado. Entre as intervenções eficazes, encontra-se o melhorar a percepção do apoio social. Apresenta-se um programa interdisciplinar, iniciado em 2009, de apoio a trabalhadores-cuidadores familiares. Seu propósito é promover a saúde e prevenir fatores de risco de doenças por meio do fortalecimento de suas habilidades de autocuidado e o desenvolvimento de políticas institucionais que facilitem o cumprimento de ambos os papéis de forma eficiente e saudável. Como estratégias de promoção da saúde têm sido utilizados: a educação para o auto-cuidado, o fortalecimento de redes de apoio familiar e social, a assessoria profissional e a comunidade de pares. Nas últimas três coortes anuais, participaram 60 funcionários, dos quais 83,4% são mulheres, com uma média de idade de 50 anos. O programa tem cumprido com sucesso os objetivos propostos e, assim, tem aumentado a percepção de apoio social manifestado pelos próprios participantes.

Capacitación y adherencia al lavado de manos y su efecto en la infección nosocomial / Impact of hand hygiene training and adherence in nosocomial infections

Resumen

Introducción: el lavado de manos deficiente sigue siendo un problema hospitalario. Cumplir con las recomendaciones internacionales ofrece seguridad en el cuidado.

Objetivo: evaluar el impacto de la capacitación en técnica de lavado de manos con alcohol gel en terapias intensivas pediátricas y adultos.

Metodología: se evaluaron 68 trabajadores de la salud en un Hospital de Tercer Nivel. El estudio se realizó en tres etapas, en la primera se evaluó la técnica de lavado de manos según los seis momentos que sugieren las directrices de la Organización Mundial de la Salud (OMS). En la segunda, se efectuó capacitación sobre lavado de manos según estos lineamientos y en la tercera por un estudio de sombra se evaluó adherencia al lavado de manos (ALM) y su efecto en la infección nosocomial.

Resultados: en la primera etapa 97.3% no uso alcohol gel, la mayoría utilizó clorhexidina en los momentos I y IV. Después de la capacitación incrementó la ALM en todos los momentos, excepto en el III y V donde descendió ligeramente, ambos sin significancia estadística. Tampoco hubo diferencia entre profesiones, número de pacientes, personal y estado del paciente.

Discusión y conclusión: La capacitación y la inclusión del alcohol gel influyeron en la ALM. La técnica y tiempo de lavado no se modificaron. El patrón de lavado parece seguir más una conducta antigua creada en el desarrollo de los profesionales, que en la comprensión de la importancia de un lavado “electivo” aunque no se perciban las manos sucias.

Abstract

Introduction: The deficient hand hygiene is still a fundamental hospital problem. Fulfilling international recommendations offers security in care.

Objective: Evaluate the impact of training in the hand hygiene technique with alcohol-gel over adherence and nosocomial infection frequency in adult and pediatric intensive care units.

Methodology: 68 health professionals working in a 3ra level hospital were evaluated. The study was developed in three stages. In the first phase, the hand hygiene technique was assessed according to the six moments suggested by World Health Organization guidelines. The second phase consisted on training on hand hygiene according to those guidelines and on the third stage, through shadow study, adherence to hand hygiene and its effect on frequency of nosocomial infections was evaluated.

Results: On the first stage 97.3% of professionals did not use alcohol - gel. Most of them only used chlorhexidine in moments I and IV. After training the adherence increased in all moments, except in III and V moments where adherence decreased in a slight way, both without any statistic significance. There was no difference among professionals, number of patients, personnel and patients’ condition.

Discussion and Conclusión: Training and alcohol - gel use inclusion influenced the adherence to hand hygiene practices. The technique and time did not change. The pattern of hand hygiene seems to follow a former conduct created in the development of health care professionals rather than the comprehension of «elective¼ washing required to assistance even though the hands are not perceived dirty.

El cómo en la investigación de familia: reflexiones de la experiencia desde un abordaje cualitativo / The how of familial research: experiential reflections from a qualitative approach

Este artículo presenta algunas discusiones y reflexiones acerca del abordaje cualitativo en investigación, a partir de la construcción metodológica desarrollada en la investigación “Trayectoria de vida en tres generaciones de una familia urbana de la ciudad de Manizales. Entre la superación y la reproducción de la pobreza”. Como resultado académico, tiene una doble pretensión: de un lado, constituirse en un aporte significativo para quienes se ocupan de la producción de conocimiento, trabajan o investigan en las áreas cualitativa y de familia; y de otro, ser un punto de partida para nuevas y más complejas discusiones al respecto