Language and practice changes in Canadian and US specialized pastoral care and counseling: a conversation.

On August 20, 2013, Terry Bard, John Carr, and Steve Ivy had a 50-minute conversation about the shift that has been taking place in Canada and the United States in the practice, and the language about that practice, of persons and professional associations that have historic roots in the modern pastoral care and counseling movement. The conversation was digitally recorded, by agreement among the three participants, and is posted on the internet as a stimulus to further conversation.